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I called two Apple stores in my state (Connecticut) and both are out. Available from their website with free shipping but a 2 to 3 week delay in shipping.

I ordered one from the Apple store on Nov 3rd, and it shipped on Nov 16th. So it looks like their estimates are somewhat accurate.

I haven't really put mine through a full test yet, but I will post a review once I have. So far it seems to work as advertised.

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I'll skip this update unless it's an impressive one. Looking forward to a redesign.

Although I'd absolutely love this, I highly doubt it'll be here for a while.

I think the first step would be increasing displays to like 1800x1080 on the 13", and 1900x1200 on the 15" and 2400x1440 on the 17" - while keeping the same user interface size. That would be awesome.

Then in the next 5-10 years, I'd expect full retina.

I doubt it would be a full jump from 1440x900 --> 3200x2000 on a 15" or something like that.

Noo...! My MacBook is out of date before its even arrived :eek:!!!!!!

Yes but remember Leopard is not going to be only 64-bit, it will run 32-bit and 64-bit applications side by side.

And also that it won't be out til January or later... plenty of time (closer to the 1st of the year) for them to upgrade..

If you 'can't have cameras' dont use them. It doesnt matter if they are built in. And for people with dual monitors they will have... er... oh yeh two cameras :D

Well...alright, if you want ;) . All i know is that places where sensitive information is important, they'll use another display.

The main point I'm not making very elegantly however is that I just don't feel that a cheap built in camera is a pro feature - and lets face it - a display starting at �550 is certainly aimed to the pro market.

I know a lot more pros who wouldn't care about the camera than those who would welcome it. Heck, lets save a bit off the price eh apple?

I did not think that Intel has released
the general availablity for the merom and woodcrest chips yet??

Woodcrest was announced at least two weeks before Conroe. Woodcrest is supposedly available now - Apple's just waiting for WWDC...

Xeon (Woodcrest) chips are not generally used by PC manufacturers for desktops, so Apple doesn't have the same level of pressure to release a Mac Pro based on it. At least in my opinion.

Talking about the cost of swtiching, I might just add� Stepping out onto the moon cost a pretty penny too. I guess beating the Soviets to bragging rights in space was more important than implementing common sense on the ground.

What does that have to do with anything? :confused:

Even if this was somehow relevant, yes, it probably was more important to achieve a scientific feat at that point in time. The Apollo missions created generations of people who became interested in science, raised educational standards nationwide, and brought forth thousands of advancements that we still use in our daily lives.


Hang on� You're not distancing yourself from the illiterate masses now? I thought you agreed with them? ;)

Not with their reasoning. My scientific literacy is pretty good, and I don't have an inherent mistrust of science which many Americans do. This makes them resist things that are advocated by the scientific community, whether it's evolution, vaccination, or evidence-based medicine. So when scientists clamor about changing to the metric system, it raises two questions in the minds of people; 1) Why should I trust this person? and 2) Is the change really necessary?

I don't doubt scientists when they advocate for the metric system, in science. Howeve, since most of the advantages of the metric system are really reserved to the sciences, the question of whether or not everything in life should be metric really isn't a scientific one; it's an economic and convenience one. In my daily life I do not need to easily convert between the mass of water and its volume or take temperatures relative to the boiling point of water.


Well, I assume the US population ain't getting any smaller the longer you put it off.

No, but that doesn't mean that we should transition now either. It all depends on the ease of transition. This is why I think long term transitioning is the only real option available. Do things piecemeal in order of greatest economic return, and if there is no economic return on a particular item, forget it. There's no point in switching to something that is going only cost money; at some point there needs to be a positive return for it to make sense.

I just checked my current desktop pictures folder. The images are 2560x1600, and they're only about 1 mb each. So it's really not much more of a leap to get to 3200.

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... so not MacBook updates then?

*KABLAAAM!*

*thud*

This question is primarily because I have a Macbook Air.

If Apple are going to release this via the App Store (assuming the speculation is true), does this mean that you don't have to burn Lion to a disk to install it? Or would I have to transfer it to some sort of USB drive first?

I guess I'm asking if you can just double click it in your downloads folder and run the OS installation from there That is the way Lion works. You just run the downloaded installer from the disk image. No need to burn to DVD or USB. The installer runs for a bit in your current OS, then reboots itself to complete the installation.

"maintain their good relationship with Apple,"

Really?
Toyota sells cars not electronic/computer/idevices.


What does that have to do with anything? The phrase "don't burn your bridges" comes to mind. For a major corporation to needlessly make an enemy out of another one would be short sighted to the point of folly.


What'ever. Glad I bought a Subaru :)


You're glad you didn't buy a Toyota because they're the kind of company that on receipt of a courteous request thinks, "OK, let's not be douches about this."

Your purchasing logic is inspired. You should probably publish something.