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The iPhone 4 got massive external and internal changes while the 3Gs just got internal changes. iPhone 4 is a bigger refresh than the 3Gs. I never said the 3Gs was not a real refresh I said it was not as big as the iPhone 4.

Understood.

Anyway, i think Apple is just shooting themselves in the leg if they plan to release the iPhone 5 later. I'm gonna give it a day or two for reports from other sources.
Everything so far has pointed to a Summer release, so it makes no sense for it to just change all of a sudden.

I wonder if this affects HP's Touchpad. HP has deep pockets as well though.

Deep pockets alone are not enough ... you also need some strategic planing to know ahead what you need and make sure that you get it.

Or was that simply the strawman rhetorical question of the day ... err ... hour?

It seemed like a cogent point to me. Your perspective will change if you do any number of things. Bet on horse races for a living and you'll never look at a horse in the same way that other people do.

Earlier itcheroni said ...
I am primarily focused on making money through the time decay of the options.

Now I don't mean to be cruel, but he isn't making anything, creating anything or contributing anything to society through this livelihood. He's merely siphoning off the flow. And he wants to talk about perspective? It seems to me that making a living that way is guaranteed to give you a warped perspective.

It's a perspective I'm glad I don't share.

many of this board's comments are great examples why our founding fathers, with great wisdom, chose to form our country with a republic for its government rather than a direct democracy.

rofl

LAME

� $2,499 standard price of Mac Pro ($2,299 for Education)

��$2,124 is the lowest you can configure the Mac Pro ($1,962 for Education)

���To get it that low, you have to drop the processors from 2.66GHz to 2GHz and and the hard drive from 250GB to 160GB

� Airport Extreme & Bluetooth 2.0 still not standard

� Weak graphics card standard (GeForce 7300, ugh)

and as a sidenote:

� MacBook Pro & MacBook processors untouched

� iMac untouched

� iPod product line grows more stale by the day

ITS A DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE !!!!!!!!!! NOT A GIVE-THE-WHINY-CONSUMERS-EVERYTHING-THEY-WANT-MACWORLD-CONFERENCE!!!!!!!!

Give it a rest!!!!

Do you really need a new #%&$*%^& iPod?...

Do you wnat a CPU update in your laptop weekly?...

sheesh!!!!

go buy a Dell and enjoy!!!!

Yes I did, it was still grayed out.

Not greyed out on my friend's sat next to me.

Talk about a bold assumption... Steve Jobs isn't stupid. He knows what needs to be done to make cell phones innovative and easy to use. After all, he does own the world when it comes portable music players. :rolleyes:

Palm is just scared, that's all. It's kind of cute, really.

Before the nostalgia wore off? You must mean novelty...

Yes, you're right. Novelty, not nostalgia. My brain is a little fried afta writin my dissertation.

doubtful, this is a key switcher market... it would be crazy to axe the very thing that will continue to switch the PC builders/gamers over the next 5 years... this is a key ingredient to apple taking the industry over with time.

Apple will not take the desktop industry over, at least not whilst it's using intel processors and chipsets and charging far more for them than other vendors.

You are essentially now using a PC with EFI firmware and OSX operating system. The only advantage over a hackintosh is that it's all fine tuned, modified and tested under one roof together with Apples software and of course styled with a modern, warm, minimalist form using quality materials but which does not leave any room for custom modding, water cooling, tri-quad SLI\X-Fire etc that PC modders crave.

In my opinion with virtualization age starting and conventions/standards now being more robust we are coming to a time where it's going to be all "same ****, different logo and GUI" and the cheaper, more feature rich option will win out.

The desktop market has been exhausted and its time passed anywhere, so now it's all about mobile and portable computing.
Nokia is partnering with Ms, those are two big, strong boys right there and will give everyone a run for their money. Add to that Microsofts kinect technology and you have new ways of controlling PC's, HTPC's and even mobiles. I have a feeling we're in for a surprise. Apple had/has its prime time with the ipod, iphone, ipad but now the innovation chip has changed it seems.

Honestly, I hope Toyota tells Apple to stuff it.

Jail break is legal for personal use. Corporate use of jail break may be another thing altogether.

That URL is no good. Would you please go to the site and COPY the URL and then PASTE it here with the LINK tool?

Did you mean SILENT PC REVIEW (http://www.silentpcreview.com/)?
Yes I did.. My bad, sorry... I'm a little out of it today. :confused:

That has nothing to due with quality. It's due to low manufacturing costs.

And in many cases making software or services requires more brainpower and sophistication than making a physical product. Japan has yet to produce a world-class software company outside of video games.

So this "American products are low quality" argument just doesn't hold water any way you look at it.

What I'd like to see are some concrete examples of poor quality products that were made in America. I hear a lot of people stating that we make subpar products, but I haven't heard any examples.

I'm not defending either position, just want someone to present some evidence.

I don't think the Chrysler argument will hold up anymore seeing as how most automobiles have a foreign influence on them, so let's stray from automobiles on this one.

Rhon, Wilmer and Rosius are completely made up. I also didn't come up with 'villian'. ravenvii is the mastermind behind that one.

i had figured Rohn was from the Lair game (which I never played)

Apple could do themselves a lot of favours if they came out with an offical statement, explaining what iOS does in regards of user tracking ( i.e, location database ). Some 1 line email response fired off by SJ doesn't do much good.

Once again, Apple fall down in terms of customer relations / communications. If Apple handled this correctly then all the fuss could go away in a couple days.

Oh, I can admit when I'm wrong. I used to believe in protecting tenure for teachers. See?

Then we can end this on agreement. I don't believe in it too. My wife should keep her job if and only if she continues to do it well not because its near impossible to fire tenured staff. But don't think I missed your sarcasm...

iPhone 4 with 3.5" screen: 115.2mm x 58.6mm x 9.3mm
weight: 137 grams

HTC Thunderbolt with 4" screen: 122mm x 66mm x 13mm
weight: 164 grams

I am not sure about you, but on composite that HTC with a 4" screen is noticeably larger in every possible way over the iPhone 4.

Sure it is only 5% taller, but 12% wider and almost 50% thicker as well as 15% heavier.

Perhaps you don't know anything about Apple, but they take the size of their devices very seriously.

I also don't understand how some of you think it is possible to have a significantly larger screen without making the phone bigger. It is not like the current iPhone has a lot of space. Again it seems people just read a bigger number and think it must be better. If we left it up to other companies smartphones would all be twice as thick and weigh twice as much as they do now, while being massively unwieldy. Apple actually has an aesthetic set of benchmarks that are important to them as anything else. It is not only aesthetic either, but actually using the device and carrying it around, the size makes a big difference.

My 3.5" iPhone 4 screen is pretty amazing, especially considering the size and weight of the device. Much more impressive than any 4" screened device I have seen.

Edit: In case anyone is wondering the 4" Samsung Galaxy S specs: 122.4mm x 64.2mm x 9.9mm weight 118 grams. It weighs less, but the physical dimensions are larger in ever way.

Please! Make the damn phone bigger! Oh no, it may weigh a few more grams. Currently, the iphone4 is a tiny phone. For us adults, please increase the screen size, and probably, the width.

keep in mind, right now exactly 0% of the products sold on the app store will run without the OS already installed.

I didn't know this. You mean I have to have an OS installed before I play Angry Birds?

At last, why 26th-30th? Why would Apple have a large event where it would be appropriate to release MBP's, and then instead announce 1-4 days after? I believe it might be a few days prior to Photokina, as the iMac was before the Paris Expo.;)

As I've postulated in other threads, this is why I believe the 19th is still quite viable for a MBP update release. Apple may be starting a precedent by releasing updated hardware before an event featuring announcements that will benefit greatly on those new updated systems.

Why should God allmighty (Steve) not lie to his minions?

Upping the baseline of the MacPro to $2500, what is that.

The baseline is actually somewhere around $2100, you can lower some of the options when configuring.